Topic: help, need a leveling kit

[letsndy]

hows it going everyone? im wanting to go with a 33'' tire on my avy and was told i need a leveling kit. what is needed? is this just torsion wrench, or is there more in the kit? whats the best price for a kit?

i have a 05 z71 with 4x4

appreciate all the help

[Fowlhunter]

You would have to go to a Furd dealer and purchase a set of (sold by the each I think) torsion bar adjusting keys, swap out the original keys with the Furd keys and crank on the bolt to raise the front end. You will need to have an alignment done after you swap out the keys.  You may need to purchase a set of coil spring spacers for the rear (to keep the rake) and longer shocks at all four corners. If you choose to only raise the front then you will only need to replace the front shocks with longer ones. I did the torsion bar keys, coils spring spacers and longer shocks and I'm currently running a 285/70/17 BFG radial all terrain tire.  The torsion bar adjusting keys, coils spring spacers and longer shocks may not be enough to accommodate the 33" tires, you may need to go with a body lift as well but don't quote me on that.  Good luck.

[SickBoy]

I myself am looking into doing a leveling kit.  I got the same info about the Ford Keys and called my local Ford Stealership and they quoted me a price of $60 a piece for the keys!!  Unless somebody knows where to get them cheaper I think I'm gonna end up going with a set of Tuff Country or Rough Country keys or some other company that deals in 4x4 suspension products.  You can pick them up on EBay for about $100 or so.  I found a set of 3/4 inch spacers by Daystar for the rear for $40 as well.

[Fowlhunter]

I myself am looking into doing a leveling kit.  I got the same info about the Ford Keys and called my local Ford Stealership and they quoted me a price of $60 a piece for the keys!!  Unless somebody knows where to get them cheaper I think I'm gonna end up going with a set of Tuff Country or Rough Country keys or some other company that deals in 4x4 suspension products.  You can pick them up on EBay for about $100 or so.  I found a set of 3/4 inch spacers by Daystar for the rear for $40 as well.

I went with the Furd adjusting keys because they were the cheapest, I also went with a set of 1-1/2 coils spring spacers in the rear because I wanted to keep the rake in the rear. I forgot to add in my first reply, you can purchase a shock extender (some bracket) that will allow you to use the factory length shock but if your going to do it you may as well spend the money for a decent shock.

[oHIobellboy]

I think I've seen the Furd keys for around $43 each but it's been a while since I saw that.

[letsndy]

so just the keys arent enough? i still need spacers? and i cant keep the stock shocks?

[Fowlhunter]

so just the keys arent enough? i still need spacers? and i cant keep the stock shocks?

I don't know for sure, you may want to check the specs on the 285/70/17 which I have (plenty of room) and the 33's that you want just to be sure you have enough room.  As for the spacers, if you want to keep the rake (higher in the back) then you will also need to lift the rear of the AV.  If you go with the Furd keys and raise the front about 2-2-1/2" then you will either need to replace the front shocks with longer ones or add shock extenders and use the same shocks.  How many miles do you have on your AV?  It might not be a bad idea to change the shocks?

[letsndy]

I don't know for sure, you may want to check the specs on the 285/70/17 which I have (plenty of room) and the 33's that you want just to be sure you have enough room.  As for the spacers, if you want to keep the rake (higher in the back) then you will also need to lift the rear of the AV.  If you go with the Furd keys and raise the front about 2-2-1/2" then you will either need to replace the front shocks with longer ones or add shock extenders and use the same shocks.  How many miles do you have on your AV?  It might not be a bad idea to change the shocks?

thing is that i just put new shocks on it. went with the rancho's. so if i use the ford set i cant use the same shocks? do you know the part number by chance for the keys? i wanna call the ford dealer and see how much they are.

[Darren]

Specifically what tire size/wheel combo and offset are you wanting to run?  Do you party with your clothes on or off? (i.e. WBH or cladded).  That is going to determine if keys are going to be what you need or if you will need something that will raise you AV higher.  Some have simply cranked the torsion bar to accommodate the tires Fowlhunter is referencing but that is going to be dependent on several factors.  So what I am trying to say is you may not necessarily need the keys or you may need more than just keys depending on what 33" tire you are wanting to run.           

[letsndy]

Specifically what tire size/wheel combo and offset are you wanting to run?  Do you party with your clothes on or off? (i.e. WBH or cladded).  That is going to determine if keys are going to be what you need or if you will need something that will raise you AV higher.  Some have simply cranked the torsion bar to accommodate the tires Fowlhunter is referencing but that is going to be dependent on several factors.  So what I am trying to say is you may not necessarily need the keys or you may need more than just keys depending on what 33" tire you are wanting to run.           

im looking at the sidebiters in a 17'' and for the tire a bfg allterrain ko's in a 33"

i have cladding also.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Mickey-Thompson/672/%23179412/10002/-1?parentProductId=1149936


if this doesnt work can you recommend something that will? i wanna get some height out of the tires

[letsndy]

this is what she looks like now

[Fowlhunter]

thing is that i just put new shocks on it. went with the rancho's. so if i use the ford set i cant use the same shocks? do you know the part number by chance for the keys? i wanna call the ford dealer and see how much they are.

Maybe try to sell the stock length shocks you just purchased? I wouldn't recommend using the stock length shocks unless you find the shock extender brackets. If you use the stock length shocks without the brackets you will destroy them. P/N for the Furd torsion bar adjusting keys is: XL3Z-5B328-CA.  I hope I don't get crucified but see the attached link, I helped another member (Ski Edition) when he did his.

[letsndy]

Maybe try to sell the stock length shocks you just purchased? I wouldn't recommend using the stock length shocks unless you find the shock extender brackets. If you use the stock length shocks without the brackets you will destroy them. P/N for the Furd torsion bar adjusting keys is: XL3Z-5B328-CA.  I hope I don't get crucified but see the attached link, I helped another member (Ski Edition) when he did his.

so this is a ford part? that any dealer should have? do you know where i can get the brackets without having to order and wait? this is something i wanna do today hopefully

[Fowlhunter]

so this is a ford part? that any dealer should have? do you know where i can get the brackets without having to order and wait? this is something i wanna do today hopefully

First off, great looking AV!!  I love the color!!!!
Yes, any Furd dealer should be able to provide you with a quote for the keys.  As for the brackets, I don't have a clue because I didn't go that way, sorry.  As Darren and I stated (mine from a previous post) replacing the torsion bar keys may not be all that is needed to accommodate the 33" tires you want to go with, you may also need to go with a body lift?? Were you able to open the attached link on my previous post?  There are pics in it!!!

[letsndy]

First off, great looking AV!!  I love the color!!!!
Yes, any Furd dealer should be able to provide you with a quote for the keys.  As for the brackets, I don't have a clue because I didn't go that way, sorry.  As Darren and I stated (mine from a previous post) replacing the torsion bar keys may not be all that is needed to accommodate the 33" tires you want to go with, you may also need to go with a body lift?? Were you able to open the attached link on my previous post?  There are pics in it!!!

dang it. i forgot about the link, im gonna look at it right now. yeah i just called the dealer and they are $60 a piece

[bluedevil]

Ford Keys Part Number XL3Z-5B328-CA

http://www.fordpartsonline.com/

I dont use them keys but Sunburst05 does.

[Darren]

im looking at the sidebiters in a 17'' and for the tire a bfg allterrain ko's in a 33"

i have cladding also.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Mickey-Thompson/672/%23179412/10002/-1?parentProductId=1149936


if this doesnt work can you recommend something that will? i wanna get some height out of the tires

Looking at that tire you have some options for what you are describing as 33":

285x70x17
305x70x17
33x12.50x17

All of the above are different diameters and widths which is going to determine what you should go with as far as raising your AV to properly accommodate your tire/wheel combo.  WHICH SIZE DO YOU PLAN ON GOING WITH?

Also, looking at your pic it may be an illusion but it appears to me it is sitting a little lower than a normal stock AV??  Maybe that is due to the aftermarket shocks you put on?  If so, this is going to affect what you need and want to do. 

You might be better off checking with a local Truck shop that specializes in lifts  (don't got to a normal tire/wheel shop)and see what they recommend before you start plunking down money for keys, lifts, tires, wheels etc and then realize what you bought is not all going to work together.  A good shop will recommend/order and they will mount and check for proper clearance & safety.  If there are any issues a good shop will not make you pay for anything unless it all works together and you are satisfied.   Just might save you a headache down the road. 

I've lifted a cladded 02 and my current 03 WBH (see my sig. for specs).  Both had different wheel well clearances and both, I did different types of lifts to accommodate different tire sizes.         

[letsndy]

Looking at that tire you have some options for what you are describing as 33":

285x70x17
305x70x17
33x12.50x17

All of the above are different diameters and widths which is going to determine what you should go with as far as raising your AV to properly accommodate your tire/wheel combo.  WHICH SIZE DO YOU PLAN ON GOING WITH?

Also, looking at your pic it may be an illusion but it appears to me it is sitting a little lower than a normal stock AV??  Maybe that is due to the aftermarket shocks you put on?  If so, this is going to affect what you need and want to do. 

You might be better off checking with a local Truck shop that specializes in lifts  (don't got to a normal tire/wheel shop)and see what they recommend before you start plunking down money for keys, lifts, tires, wheels etc and then realize what you bought is not all going to work together.  A good shop will recommend/order and they will mount and check for proper clearance & safety.  If there are any issues a good shop will not make you pay for anything unless it all works together and you are satisfied.   Just might save you a headache down the road. 

I've lifted a cladded 02 and my current 03 WBH (see my sig. for specs).  Both had different wheel well clearances and both, I did different types of lifts to accommodate different tire sizes.       

id like to spend the least as possible in lifting, so whichevre tire that would work with. i dont really know of any truck performance shops around me. im gonna try and see if i can find one

[letsndy]

hmmm i cant find any truck shops by me.

[Darren]

If price is the most important then you will go with the 285's as they will be the least expensive.  On that note as FH said you should be good to go with Keys.  , I've heard of some who simply can crank their torsion bar up and get these to fit but it's going to be trial and error. 

Where do you live?  I can't believe there is no Truck shop close to you?   

[letsndy]

If price is the most important then you will go with the 285's as they will be the least expensive.  On that note as FH said you should be good to go with Keys.  , I've heard of some who simply can crank their torsion bar up and get these to fit but it's going to be trial and error. 

Where do you live?  I can't believe there is no Truck shop close to you?

plainfield, il yeah i cant find any lol.

so the width of the tire is gonna be 285, how about height wise? 70?
can i do it without changing shocks?

[Fowlhunter]

I don't think the shocks will make a difference in the height of your AV.  I can tell you for a fact that you should be safe going with the Furd keys (cranking to get about 2-2-1/2" or so), 1-1/2" coil spring spacers, 4 longer shocks and 285/70/17 tires.  That is my set up. You could attempt to crank on the stock keys to see how much you can get out of them but keep in mind you are going to increase the travel on the stock shocks which may not be long enough, in the end you will most likely blow out the seals and the shocks will start to leak.  If you decide to go with the Furd keys and crank on them be sure you get your AV aligned.

[letsndy]

I don't think the shocks will make a difference in the height of your AV.  I can tell you for a fact that you should be safe going with the Furd keys (cranking to get about 2-2-1/2" or so), 1-1/2" coil spring spacers, 4 longer shocks and 285/70/17 tires.  That is my set up. You could attempt to crank on the stock keys to see how much you can get out of them but keep in mind you are going to increase the travel on the stock shocks which may not be long enough, in the end you will most likely blow out the seals and the shocks will start to leak.  If you decide to go with the Furd keys and crank on them be sure you get your AV aligned.

ok, are the spacers needed? i wanna do this cause i have had the truck aligned and i have 6 months to bring it back for free.  so i can leave the stock shocks but they wont last long?

[Fowlhunter]

If you go with the 285/70/17 the rear coil spring spacers are not needed, this is up to you.  I personally wanted the rear of my AV to sit higher than the front, I didn't want a level stance.  If you add the Furd keys, crank on the torsion bars and leave the factory length shocks they may not last that long?  Your ride may be affected as well, when you raise the front and add longer shocks you will have more suspension travel.

[Ski Edition]

If you go with the 285/70/17 the rear coil spring spacers are not needed, this is up to you.  I personally wanted the rear of my AV to sit higher than the front, I didn't want a level stance.  If you add the Furd keys, crank on the torsion bars and leave the factory length shocks they may not last that long?  Your ride may be affected as well, when you raise the front and add longer shocks you will have more suspension travel.

FH, How much bolt do you have left on your keys?  Been tweaking my front end with the new tires and just wondering with the 1 1/2 in the rear, you would probably need to use most of the bolt.  Just wondering! 

[MyBigToy]

If you are looking to go the cheapest route you can, crank the stock torsion bars and use the 285/70/17 - these tires are technically 32.7" tall. As FH stated, get a front end alignment after you are done. Many people have done that combination. You will probably need to do a small amount of modification to the rear of the driver's side wheel-well liner as the tire will rub slightly on the "bump" that you will see when you look toward the bottom center of the liner.

[Fowlhunter]

FH, How much bolt do you have left on your keys?  Been tweaking my front end with the new tires and just wondering with the 1 1/2 in the rear, you would probably need to use most of the bolt.  Just wondering!

Hey Ski!!  Good question, I'll have to take a look.  Did you have a problem with the new tires rubbing?

[Ski Edition]

Hey Ski!!  Good question, I'll have to take a look.  Did you have a problem with the new tires rubbing?

No problems I haven't already solved with the rubbing.  I put the 1 1/2" spacer on originally when I did lift, but went to the 3/4" spacer to keep my camper level.  I was just wondering what your's looked like with the larger spacer.  I think I like the way it looks now, but I like a little rake in the front end too. 

[letsndy]

If you are looking to go the cheapest route you can, crank the stock torsion bars and use the 285/70/17 - these tires are technically 32.7" tall. As FH stated, get a front end alignment after you are done. Many people have done that combination. You will probably need to do a small amount of modification to the rear of the driver's side wheel-well liner as the tire will rub slightly on the "bump" that you will see when you look toward the bottom center of the liner.

what kinda modification to the rear drivers side would have to be done?

[letsndy]

also, by just turning the stock ones, do i need to use any spacers in the rear?
i went with the bfg all terrains 285 70 17

thanks for all the help guys.

[NorthJerseyAvalanche]

if you need spacers go on www.roughcountry.com

i got my leveling from there and i can fit 33s with slight rubbing now.
not sure what you need for the 05 but im sure they have a kit and have it cheap

[NorthJerseyAvalanche]

http://roughcountry.com/chevy_4wd_99-06_leveling_kit.html

this should be what you need, but someone please correct me if im wrong.

and not a bad price from what ive seen for other cladded avis

[Fowlhunter]

Hey Ski! I have about 1/2 or so of bolt left on my key adjustment.

[MyBigToy]

what kinda modification to the rear drivers side would have to be done?

Take a torch or heat gun, heat up the "bump", and push it flat with a putty knife or something similar. You might also have to clearance (cut) some of the inner lip off the cladding. It's basically trial and error until you stop all rubbing. As far as needing to add spacers in the rear, no you won't have to. If you want to maintain the front-to-rear "rake" of the stock Av, then you will need to add spacers. Personally, I like a flat stance front-to-rear; that's why I lowered the rear of my Av.

[Ski Edition]

Hey Ski! I have about 1/2 or so of bolt left on my key adjustment.

That's what I figured!  Thanks!  I would ask for pics, but still waiting on the bowtie pic!!   

[Fowlhunter]

That's what I figured!  Thanks!  I would ask for pics, but still waiting on the bowtie pic!!   

Ouch, damn that hurts.  One of these days I'll find some time to sit down with my camera and upload to my computer.

[Ski Edition]

Ouch, damn that hurts.  One of these days I'll find some time to sit down with my camera and upload to my computer.

Why don't you just come clean and admit that Gail is still running around with that cardboard bowtie!!   

[Fowlhunter]

Why don't you just come clean and admit that Gail is still running around with that cardboard bowtie!!   

        

[Ski Edition]

      

I didn't put any clear on it so I imagine that the elements have got the best of it by now!!   

[MyBigToy]

I didn't put any clear on it so I imagine that the elements have got the best of it by now!!   

I bet it blew off before she got 1/2 mile down the road and it's still blowing around in the wind! And she still doesn't have a bowtie. 

[Fowlhunter]

I bet it blew off before she got 1/2 mile down the road and it's still blowing around in the wind! And she still doesn't have a bowtie. 

If the cardboard bowtie was still there then yes, the elements would have destroyed it. 

No, it actually stayed on for about a week or so then it was no longer there.  I'm sure someone found that awesome bowtie!

Fowlhunter    Ski Edition

[Ski Edition]

Fowlhunter    Ski Edition

Don't be a hater!!   

[Fowlhunter]

Don't be a hater!!   

No hater here.  Man, I love you like the brother I never had!! 

[Ski Edition]

                                                  

No hater here.  Man, I love you like the brother I never had!!

[letsndy]

well i ended up just doing tires on stock rims. lifted  it with the stock torsions, no modifications, no rub what so ever.

[oHIobellboy]

well i ended up just doing tires on stock rims. lifted  it with the stock torsions, no modifications, no rub what so ever.

   

 


Dang it. I was hoping for a mod party at your place.

[letsndy]

here you go! sorry, kinda dirty!

[oHIobellboy]

Damn I gotta quit reading these post. Now I wanna do mine 

I love the way it looks 

[Fowlhunter]

Looks good letsndy!!

Go fot it OBB!!!

[oHIobellboy]

Looks good letsndy!!

Go fot it OBB!!!

but then I'd need bigger summer tires and wheels. I'm happy with the ones I have. Now during the winter on the other hand......

[mbab]

285 is 33".  I went online at justlevelingkits.com and everything you need to level the AVY is in the kit for $129.99 + shipping.  They told me that I will be able to put a set of 305 tires on it with just the front 2" leveling kit. shock extender brackets if applicable for the application. I am just wanting to know what tools may be needed, if anything special, and how to install.

[chevyfan]

Welcome!

It is highly recommended to get the torsion key tool. Hopefully someone you know has one. I would try some local 4x4 shops and see if one of them would let you borrow it if you were to put a deposit down. I fyou end up buying one they run around $100. The route I went was trying to use a c-clamp and it flew across the garage a couple times, you will need some good nerves if going this route, the torsion bars are under a lot of pressure. The other things you will need is a floor jack, jack stands, sockets and ratchet or impact gun. If you were in the St. Louis I would help. Anymore questions, just ask.

[mbab]

Welcome!

It is highly recommended to get the torsion key tool. Hopefully someone you know has one. I would try some local 4x4 shops and see if one of them would let you borrow it if you were to put a deposit down. I fyou end up buying one they run around $100. The route I went was trying to use a c-clamp and it flew across the garage a couple times, you will need some good nerves if going this route, the torsion bars are under a lot of pressure. The other things you will need is a floor jack, jack stands, sockets and ratchet or impact gun. If you were in the St. Louis I would help. Anymore questions, just ask.

  thanks for the offer (i'm in Houston, Tx. Area) but I was told a gear puller would work for the application, if i didnt have a torsion key tool.  I will keep you posted, I should get kit in this week, but don't know if I will be able to install this weekend or next.

[chevyfan]

Just be careful either route you go and be sure to take pics when you are done. Good luck. You can borrow the gear puller from Autozone or another place that loans tools. Be sure to use the big end of the gear puller ( the smaller end tends to fly off also!)

[Eric_FXST]

Make sure you get a kit with shock extensions unless you are buying longer shocks.
I went 6 months with a weird binding feeling in the suspension whenever I would go over speed bumps or hard bumps.  I tried sway bar bushings and sprayed WD40 on bushings, etc.
I finally bought some extensions for $20 off ebay and installed them Sunday.  What a difference!
I forgot how smooth the AV used to ride.  No more binding over bumps.  It now feels like it is riding on air again.  Evidently the shocks were maxing out causing it to max out harshly causing almost a pogo effect.

[oHIobellboy]

Make sure you get a kit with shock extensions unless you are buying longer shocks.
I went 6 months with a weird binding feeling in the suspension whenever I would go over speed bumps or hard bumps.  I tried sway bar bushings and sprayed WD40 on bushings, etc.
I finally bought some extensions for $20 off ebay and installed them Sunday.  What a difference!
I forgot how smooth the AV used to ride.  No more binding over bumps.  It now feels like it is riding on air again.  Evidently the shocks were maxing out causing it to max out harshly causing almost a pogo effect.

You put the longer shocks on before your body lift was done?

[Eric_FXST]

I have had the 2.5" leveling kit on for about 6 months now with OE length Monro shocks.  I bought keys without the shock extensions.  The GM garage said I wouldn't need them.  Ever since they were installed the AV has ridden oddly.  The front end has seemed to bind when going over big bumps.  I thought it was from have the torsion bars cranked up.
Here it was the shocks maxing out as the body would lift upwards after compressing.  With the shock extensions it doesn't hit hard at the top of the stroke.  It just rebounds nice and smoothly as it did before the leveling kit.

[oHIobellboy]

I have had the 2.5" leveling kit on for about 6 months now with OE length Monro shocks.  I bought keys without the shock extensions.  The GM garage said I wouldn't need them.  Ever since they were installed the AV has ridden oddly.  The front end has seemed to bind when going over big bumps.  I thought it was from have the torsion bars cranked up.
Here it was the shocks maxing out as the body would lift upwards after compressing.  With the shock extensions it doesn't hit hard at the top of the stroke.  It just rebounds nice and smoothly as it did before the leveling kit.

Got a link for those?

[Eric_FXST]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Shock-Extension-Mounts-Avalanche-4x2-4x4-6Lug-2002-2006-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQfitsZModelQ3aAvalancheQ201500QQhashZitem27b56f7b74QQitemZ170547706740QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

First one took me 30 minutes to install, the second about 10.  Truck rides much better now with them installed.

[oHIobellboy]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Shock-Extension-Mounts-Avalanche-4x2-4x4-6Lug-2002-2006-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQfitsZModelQ3aAvalancheQ201500QQhashZitem27b56f7b74QQitemZ170547706740QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

First one took me 30 minutes to install, the second about 10.  Truck rides much better now with them installed.

Thanks. I'll see if that takes care of the bit of a different ride I have since the lift has been put on.

[oHIobellboy]

Thanks. I'll see if that takes care of the bit of a different ride I have since the lift has been put on.

Just ordered it. Yet another mod to do once the weather breaks.

[Eric_FXST]

I had to use the tire arm wedged on top of the rotor and under the shock bracket to slowly get it to compress.
That was the only hairy part.  Maybe there is a better way, I don't know.  To do it by hand really burns the forearms out.

[oHIobellboy]

I had to use the tire arm wedged on top of the rotor and under the shock bracket to slowly get it to compress.
That was the only hairy part.  Maybe there is a better way, I don't know.  To do it by hand really burns the forearms out.

Next dumb question. Was there install instructions with it?

[Eric_FXST]

Next dumb question. Was there install instructions with it?

Yes.  Literally unbolt the bottom of the shock.  Use the new bolts to bolt the extender to the bottom of the shock.  Bolt the extender onto the control arm.
The only problem is lifting the shock to have it slowly (and i mean slowly) compress since adding an extender.

[oHIobellboy]

Gotcha. Thanks.

[R3D DR4G0N]

Hi everyone!  So, I buy the new Furd Stealership keys, I get the shock extenders, and ultimately get the new wheels and tires.  Is it really that simple?  Can I do this myself?  Is there anything that says YOU CANNOT do this without the keys?  Are there better results with the keys?  I am kind of at a loss here, probably because I'm thinking about how easy this is :P

HEELLLPPPP!!!!!

Jon

[oHIobellboy]

Hi everyone!  So, I buy the new Furd Stealership keys, I get the shock extenders, and ultimately get the new wheels and tires.  Is it really that simple?  Can I do this myself?  Is there anything that says YOU CANNOT do this without the keys?  Are there better results with the keys?  I am kind of at a loss here, probably because I'm thinking about how easy this is :P

HEELLLPPPP!!!!!

Jon

Start spraying them with PB Blaster everyday about a week before you go to change them. Mine had to be cut off by the shop that did mine.

[R3D DR4G0N]

Start spraying them with PB Blaster everyday about a week before you go to change them. Mine had to be cut off by the shop that did mine.

i know about pb blaster and that it works magic, but will that really help in the long run when i go to change them?  is there any kind of instructions that come with the keys?  i probably will be getting the tuff country keys from jc whitney.  thank you!

Jon

[oHIobellboy]

Fowlhunter cranked his own keys up or changed them. I forget. He's got a thread on here about it.

[R3D DR4G0N]

Ill have to contact him then :)  i love my avalanche

thank you!


Jon