Author Topic: Edelbrock #65022 coated shorties headers full install write up!! (Read 4781 times)

USMC0311 · « **on:** September 03, 2009, 03:37:02 PM »

Ok, guys and gals! They just showed up so here we go!!!

I am gonna get all setup and start taking pics step by step and will update as I go! Here is what the whole kit came with: headers (obviously!) gaskets (both flange and header) and all the hardware (bolts etc!), and full illistrated instructions. So away we go!

SHINY!

Main One · « **Reply #1 on:** September 03, 2009, 03:41:52 PM »

Those look NICE!!!

Mine are a dull grey with a few rust stains coming through.

Darren · « **Reply #2 on:** September 03, 2009, 03:49:03 PM »

It should take about 6 beers.

bluedevil · « **Reply #3 on:** September 03, 2009, 03:56:43 PM »

Very cool. Mine are rusted too

USMC0311 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 03, 2009, 03:58:15 PM »

Quote from: Darren on September 03, 2009, 03:49:03 PM

It should take about 6 beers.

Usually would be 12 but can't double fist (gotta have a hand to do the work ya know!) Here is another pic of the parts and my mechanic buddy waitin to get started (sorry just thought it was too cool!)

My partner in crime!

USMC0311 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 03, 2009, 03:59:28 PM »

ok nuff messin around time to get at it!! Stand by for updates as I go!

Donnie1 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 03, 2009, 05:33:08 PM »

Are ya done yet?

oHIobellboy · « **Reply #7 on:** September 03, 2009, 05:35:50 PM »

Gotta show pix of the busted knuckles also

Darren · « **Reply #8 on:** September 03, 2009, 10:05:49 PM »

Quote from: Donnie1 on September 03, 2009, 05:33:08 PM

Are ya done yet?

He's on beer 4 and can't find the instructions and

Fowlhunter · « **Reply #9 on:** September 03, 2009, 10:45:46 PM »

Beer 4, dang I think I'd be on beer 8!!!!!

Listen, do I hear it?? Nope, guess not.

USMC0311 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 03, 2009, 11:54:30 PM »

OK OK OK! Breakin my balls here guys! Ha Ha! all done, and kudos to OBB for the sugestion to do it here at the house actually did run into a problem as you will see. Ok here we go, if I miss anything just shoot a question and I will answer. I will do my best as this is my first write up!

USMC0311 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 04, 2009, 12:10:35 AM »

O.K. first things first I found the first thing to do is disconnect the the exhaust system from your OE manifolds, if you don't it makes it harder because the manifold isn't stable (if that makes sense). There is another reason for this I will get to later!

Spin off All three bolts

Then pull down the flange to get it out of the way.

Here is the point where you can start here

USMC0311 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 04, 2009, 12:16:51 AM »

Now pull off all the spark plug wires from both the plugs and coil packs and set them aside

At this point it is pretty straight forward, just remove all 6 bolts holding on the manifold, remove the dipstick tube (just remove the bolt on the head then wiggle it out, it comes out real easy!) and pull out the manifold (on the passenger side it just lifts right out)

Now is the time to change out your plugs if you are going to believe me it makes it way way easier!

Now with these headers they use lock washers for the bolts holding it on, but on the ends the holes are open and they provide a thick black washer to use on the out side holes

The rest just use a lockwasher

USMC0311 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 04, 2009, 12:30:27 AM »

Now your ready to go ahaead and install the new header. just slip it in from the top the same way you pulled out the manifold

Once in place put the gasket up, and run in a few bolts by hand to hold it in place, and hand tighten all the bolts (but do not tighten yet) Oh and as you can see in the pics you have to bend up the heatshield under the AC canister for clearance (not hard really, just grab a hammer and beat it into submission)

Then before you tighten everything down, you have to take the "donut" gasket out of the manifold and pull out the metal retaing ring and slip it in between the header flange and the exhaust pipe (that is why you want some play so don't tighten the headers yet) once you have done that go ahead and put in the bolts that hold the exhaust pipe to the header flange but don't tighten all the way.

Then go back up and go ahead and tighten up all the bolts holding on the header, once done go back down and tighten up the 3 bolts holding on the exhaust to the header so everything fits up nicely! Finally put the dip stick tube back in, just slip it in place and push and wiggle a little you will feel it pop into place and tighten the retaining bolt.Now the passenger side is done now to the driver side.

USMC0311 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 04, 2009, 12:43:10 AM »

O.K. driver side is pretty much the same concept only difference is to disconnect the steering shaft so it's not in the way.

Once you follow the same steps as before (spin off 3 nuts holding exhast on, pull plug wires, remove 6 bolts holding manifold on, and slip out the manifold) Now the difference on this side is you will not use a "donut" gasket (as it doesnt use one) you will use a crush gasket that is included with the headers. Pull out the old one and install the new one.

Now this side doesn't slip in as easy but just tilt it vertically and it will slip right in.

USMC0311 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 04, 2009, 12:57:18 AM »

Once you get it in just follow the same instructions as before. ( run in a few bolts by hand to hold it in place with the gasket, then run in the rest but do not tighten all the way, go back under the truck and connect the header to the exhaust pipe (this side is pretty important as the flange is fixed and doesn't move so you need the play in the header, then finger tighten, and go back up top and tighten everything up.)

Once all tightened up, reconnect the steering shaft, tighten the bolts under the truck connecting the header to the exhaust pipe, and reinstall all of your spark plug wires

Once all tightened up you are almost there, just go back through make sure you didn't miss anything, and fire her up! Now is the time to check and see if there are any exhaust leaks just run your hand around the gasket area while running to see if you can feel a leak, you would also be able to hear it, it would sound like a tick. Then your ready to go!

Now for the part dedicated to OBB and why I told you to begin with disconnecting the exhaust from the manifold first! I found that if any bolt is gonna be a PITA it will be those nuts! I actually rounded one off so bad I had to cut it off with a dremel (not a fun task!) So if this would have happened out at Bratfest it would have really sucked to say the least so good looking out there OBB!

USMC0311 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 04, 2009, 01:02:26 AM »

OK guys if I missed something just ask! Im freakin tired, so time for bed! Hope this helps someone! This was a lot easier than I thought it would be, and if it wasn't for the nut issue it would have only taken a few hours!

oHIobellboy · « **Reply #17 on:** September 04, 2009, 05:14:55 AM »

Glad you got it done and you're happy with it.

Can't wait to hear it. We also appreciate how late you stayed up doing the write up.

MyBigToy · « **Reply #18 on:** September 04, 2009, 06:08:23 AM »

Quote from: USMC0311 on September 04, 2009, 12:57:18 AM

Now for the part dedicated to OBB and why I told you to begin with disconnecting the exhaust from the manifold first! I found that if any bolt is gonna be a PITA it will be those nuts! I actually rounded one off so bad I had to cut it off with a dremel (not a fun task!) So if this would have happened out at Bratfest it would have really sucked to say the least so good looking out there OBB!

A good mechanic would have soaked those nuts/studs down with penetrating lube several times for several days before he tried to get the nuts loose because he would have known they would be difficult due to the heat/cool cycles! It's called planning.

Just busting your chops, man. Good writeup.

Fowlhunter · « **Reply #19 on:** September 04, 2009, 07:34:10 AM »

Great write up man!!!!

Can't wait to hear it and see it at Bratfest!!!!

USMC0311 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 04, 2009, 07:56:53 AM »

Quote from: MyBigToy on September 04, 2009, 06:08:23 AM

A good mechanic would have soaked those nuts/studs down with penetrating lube several times for several days before he tried to get the nuts loose because he would have known they would be difficult due to the heat/cool cycles! It's called planning.

Just busting your chops, man. Good writeup.

I knew somebody was gonna bust my chops, and of course it was you Big!

HaHa! I know I know, that is my standard operating precedure, and believe me if you saw how much penetrant/lubricant i used you think it had soaked for days! Too funny man i knew someone was gonna say it! Can always count on friends to state the obvous AFTER THE FACT! HaHaHaHa!

glad you guys like the write up! Least I could do for all the help I have gotten on here!

Ski Edition · « **Reply #21 on:** September 04, 2009, 08:00:01 AM »

VERY NICE USMC!!!!

Main One · « **Reply #22 on:** September 04, 2009, 08:49:15 AM »

Very nice write-up. That was so good I believe even MoAv could do this mod now.

One of those same bolts caused my problems as well. And like you I didn't put penetrating lube on it days in advance.

Those bolts would be less likely to round off if they were a little bit easier to get to. Your pics are so good, they make this job seem a little bit easier than it is.

BNASTY · « **Reply #23 on:** September 04, 2009, 10:32:58 AM »

Great Project USMC,

For us manically illiterate folk, what is the reason for this mod?

Cost vs. Benefit

Time and Effort vs. Performance Improvement?

Basically, what can one expect to gain from this upgrade? Sound improvement? Better Gas milage? HP gain?

I never took a shop class in school, but am intrigued by the Go Fast stuff.

B

USMC0311 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 04, 2009, 12:09:00 PM »

Quote from: BNASTY on September 04, 2009, 10:32:58 AM

Great Project USMC,

For us manically illiterate folk, what is the reason for this mod?

Cost vs. Benefit

Time and Effort vs. Performance Improvement?

Basically, what can one expect to gain from this upgrade? Sound improvement? Better Gas milage? HP gain?

I never took a shop class in school, but am intrigued by the Go Fast stuff.

B

Man brother we are about to open a whole new can of worms with this one! Basically, when you install headers the ultimate goal is to make the engine run more efficiently. Efficiency = better MPG, and a nice byproduct is increased Horsepower! Now the reason I say we will open a can, is because there is a ton of controversy between enthusiests rather shorties or Long tubes (refering to length of the header itself mine were shorties as you can see) are the way to go. You should know that with short tubes you pick up some low end (low end refering to the low end side of the power band, high end vice versa) but will loose a bit of top end (but with our trucks the headers flow better than stock so shouldn't loose that much up top), and with longtubes it is vice versa, you lose some low end and pick up some top end. So enough of the technical mumbo-gumbo!

To answer your questions.....

Cost v. Benefit=

honestly shorties for our trucks are not that expensive! You can pick up a set for about $200 not coated (shiny like mine), all the coating is really for is for protection from the elements, and it helps scavange the exhaust gasses because it is smoother and flows very very slightly better. So Cost v. Benefit well it is up to personal preferance but I feel it is worth it because in reality a more efficiently running engine will produce better MPG thus paying for itself in the long run! Although to get the full benefit of the mod I would suggest a custom PCM/ECM tune, and a cold air intake to make your truck run at peak!

Time and effort v. performance=

well if you look at my post you can see it seriously only took a few hours (got it done in one night all together plus plug and plug wire upgrade) So honestly even the most novice can undertake this mod, because it is pretty simple as in "you take out a bolt you replace it with the new one" pretty simple.
And with a good custom tune this could be one of your best performance mods. just looking at it from a realistic stand point, Like I explained in the begining you can think of it like a person... the better you breath the better you perform so with a cold air intake it can breath in better with less restriction, and with the headers it can breath out with less restriction. So hope that clears things up a bit.

BNASTY · « **Reply #25 on:** September 04, 2009, 01:36:21 PM »

Thanks USMC,

$200 and a couple hours work seems pretty harmless.

The short headers appear to be the way to go for me, I need more low end HP.
(I don't care if I can go 100 mph, I just want to get to 60 faster.)

Great info and write up Brother.

B

Ski Edition · « **Reply #26 on:** September 04, 2009, 01:44:42 PM »

Quote from: BNASTY on September 04, 2009, 01:36:21 PM

I need more low end HP.
(I don't care if I can go 100 mph, I just want to get to 60 faster.)

Gears

USMC0311 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 04, 2009, 02:49:24 PM »

Quote from: BNASTY on September 04, 2009, 01:36:21 PM

Thanks USMC,

$200 and a couple hours work seems pretty harmless.

The short headers appear to be the way to go for me, I need more low end HP.
(I don't care if I can go 100 mph, I just want to get to 60 faster.)

Great info and write up Brother.

B

Right on no problem, glad to help! Go to summit racing they carry everything you would need and usually will arrive at your door within a day er two! I have used em for countless projects for the last 7 years and have never had a bad thing to say! I would also recommend a custom tune too bro, without it you won't notice much difference at all. Black bear performance is the way to go in my own opion! The guy there is Justin, he is super cool, real easy to deal with and will answer any questions you have (believe me I have asked many!) Only reason I say use justin at black bear is because I have yet to find a bad review on him, and he has a HUGE customer base within all the chevy truck forums, and the benefit with him is that he will send you out a "data logger" which you plug into your OBD 2 port and drive like you normally do for a day er two, then you download the software he uses (EFI live) then email it to him. He then looks through all the data and tunes a PCM to meet you spacific trucks needs (every truck is different) so you will get the most out of your spacific truck! It is a great way to get a custom tune from a guy who really knows our trucks! Best part about it is if you ever decide to do any more mods to the truck (which you will do!) he will retune it for free once you have payed for your first tune, you just contact him, go through the same procedure and then get ur new tune! Awesome guy and awesome customer service! There is a wait list for a data log cable tune but well worth the wait (I am actually on the wait list right now and it is about 6-7 weeks) but ain't bad at all for what you get! Just my 2 cents bro! Good luck, and happy modding my friend!!!

Fowlhunter · « **Reply #28 on:** September 04, 2009, 03:03:39 PM »

I checked Summit Racing, they want $343.?? for the ceramic coated headers. Where did you find them for $200??

oHIobellboy · « **Reply #29 on:** September 04, 2009, 03:06:58 PM »

Quote from: Fowlhunter on September 04, 2009, 03:03:39 PM

I checked Summit Racing, they want $343.?? for the ceramic coated headers. Where did you find them for $200??

His are not the coated ones. Summit Racing? I think I know where that place is.

Quote from: USMC0311

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To answer your questions.....

Cost v. Benefit=

honestly shorties for our trucks are not that expensive! You can pick up a set for about $200 not coated (shiny like mine), all the coating is really for is for protection from the elements, and it helps scavange the exhaust gasses because it is smoother and flows very very slightly better. So Cost v. Benefit well it is up to personal preferance but I feel it is worth it because in reality a more efficiently running engine will produce better MPG thus paying for itself in the long run! Although to get the full benefit of the mod I would suggest a custom PCM/ECM tune, and a cold air intake to make your truck run at peak!

Fowlhunter · « **Reply #30 on:** September 04, 2009, 04:11:25 PM »

He said his were coated.

USMC0311 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 04, 2009, 05:17:23 PM »

Quote from: Fowlhunter on September 04, 2009, 04:11:25 PM

He said his were coated.

Ya like I said the non coated (not shiny like mine) ones are around 200, but mine were round $350. like I stated before also you do not need the coating, it is just to help flow a little bit and to protect against the elements (and they look pretty!)

oHIobellboy · « **Reply #32 on:** September 04, 2009, 06:04:34 PM »

Quote from: USMC0311 on September 04, 2009, 05:17:23 PM

Ya like I said the non coated (not shiny like mine) ones are around 200, but mine were round $350. like I stated before also you do not need the coating, it is just to help flow a little bit and to protect against the elements (and they look pretty!)

A HAH, I see said the blind man.

USMC0311 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 04, 2009, 06:51:13 PM »

Quote from: oHIobellboy on September 04, 2009, 06:04:34 PM

A HAH, I see said the blind man.

to the def man!

msdinsp · « **Reply #34 on:** September 04, 2009, 08:32:50 PM »

Looks like you didn't have a problem getting the bolts lined up, with the gasket in there.
Sometimes can be beneficial to slot the two end holes of the gasket, start the end bolts to hold the header in place, then slide in the gasket, then bolt up the rest.

Nice job, nice write up.

USMC0311 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 04, 2009, 08:53:14 PM »

Quote from: msdinsp on September 04, 2009, 08:32:50 PM

Looks like you didn't have a problem getting the bolts lined up, with the gasket in there.
Sometimes can be beneficial to slot the two end holes of the gasket, start the end bolts to hold the header in place, then slide in the gasket, then bolt up the rest.

Nice job, nice write up.

Ya I thought the same thing (after doin a bunch of longtubes) but with these was no problem at all. Didn't even start with the outside ones! Gotta say was the easiest headers I have ever done, but it was my first set of shorties. :thumbup:Thanks!

Alaska_AV · « **Reply #36 on:** September 05, 2009, 05:52:15 PM »

wow you got lucky!

I had 2 broken bolts on each side.

3 came out nice one I had to drill and tap..

The one against the fire wall under the steering shaft, I broke the tap in the hole .0025 seconds before pulling out, then I drilled into the coolent passage getting the tap out, then I ended up with a 12 mm bolt

took me all weekend to fix that mess up....

Main One · « **Reply #37 on:** September 05, 2009, 05:54:13 PM »

Quote from: Alaska_AV on September 05, 2009, 05:52:15 PM

wow you got lucky!

I had 2 broken bolts on each side.

3 came out nice one I had to drill and tap..

The one against the fire wall under the steering shaft, I broke the tap in the hole .0025 seconds before pulling out, then I drilled into the coolent passage getting the tap out, then I ended up with a 12 mm bolt

took me all weekend to fix that mess up....

Dang, and I thought that stuff only happened to KY_Bob!

Ski Edition · « **Reply #38 on:** September 29, 2009, 08:34:38 AM »

Mine are close---Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!
MURFREESBORO, TN, US 09/29/2009 8:03 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY

Fowlhunter · « **Reply #39 on:** September 29, 2009, 11:41:38 AM »

Quote from: Ski Edition on September 29, 2009, 08:34:38 AM

Mine are close---Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!
MURFREESBORO, TN, US 09/29/2009 8:03 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY

Hey Pal!
I can't wait to see these installed!!!!!!

Ski Edition · « **Reply #40 on:** September 29, 2009, 12:43:45 PM »

Quote from: Fowlhunter on September 29, 2009, 11:41:38 AM

Hey Pal!
I can't wait to see these installed!!!!!!

Me neither---still not here!!!!!!!!!!!

USMC0311 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 29, 2009, 01:10:53 PM »

Quote from: Ski Edition on September 29, 2009, 12:43:45 PM

Me neither---still not here!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey brother, I shot you my phone #, if you run into anything at all don't hesitate to call! Good luck, and lets see em when they are done huh!

Ski Edition · « **Reply #42 on:** September 29, 2009, 01:35:06 PM »

One thing I did notice when I was spraying PB Blaster on the bolts. On the passenger side--is this a cracked manifold??

Main One · « **Reply #43 on:** September 29, 2009, 02:24:13 PM »

Not sure, but I don't think so.

MyBigToy · « **Reply #44 on:** September 29, 2009, 05:57:48 PM »

I agree with Main One - if I remember correctly, that split is supposed to be there.

USMC0311 · « **Reply #45 on:** September 29, 2009, 08:10:25 PM »

No brother thats is not a crack it is there on mine too. It is just a split between the holes, from the factory. If you look at my pics with the old manifold still on you can see it. Hope all went well man, I expected the phone calls, hope I was of some help!

Ski Edition · « **Reply #46 on:** September 30, 2009, 09:41:45 AM »

Quote from: USMC0311 on September 29, 2009, 08:10:25 PM

No brother thats is not a crack it is there on mine too. It is just a split between the holes, from the factory. If you look at my pics with the old manifold still on you can see it. Hope all went well man, I expected the phone calls, hope I was of some help!

The passenger side FINALLY was a success. Second time was a charm. Getting that ring out was a PITA though. Couldn't have gotten that far without you! You are the MAN!!!

I expect a bill for your consultation fees. Will tackle the driver side this afternoon. Actually it may be in my mind, but with just the passenger side on, it already sounds better!! It definitely looks much better!! We checked by friends 2000 Silvy and it has the same space. Oh well--no biggie!

Fowlhunter · « **Reply #47 on:** September 30, 2009, 11:44:50 AM »

I'm getting excited!!!!

Can't wait to see pics!!!!!!

Ski Edition · « **Reply #48 on:** September 30, 2009, 12:24:48 PM »

Quote from: Fowlhunter on September 30, 2009, 11:44:50 AM

I'm getting excited!!!! Can't wait to see pics!!!!!!

Passenger side. More later!

Main One · « **Reply #49 on:** September 30, 2009, 12:34:21 PM »

Careful with the pictures you post here - we don't want Fowlhunter to get too excited!

MyBigToy · « **Reply #50 on:** September 30, 2009, 01:39:51 PM »

Quote from: Ski Edition on September 30, 2009, 12:24:48 PM

Passenger side. More later!

You need to make sure you get the plug wires off the header tubes or you'll have real problems in short order!

Fowlhunter · « **Reply #51 on:** September 30, 2009, 03:35:31 PM »

Quote from: Main One on September 30, 2009, 12:34:21 PM

Careful with the pictures you post here - we don't want Fowlhunter to get too excited!

Dang, after seeing the picture of the passenger side I'm almost there!!!!!

Might have to spend money I don't have?

Ski Edition · « **Reply #52 on:** October 04, 2009, 11:10:20 AM »

Done!! Took it to my exhaust man and he put the stethescope on it and no leaks--woo hoo!! Almost feels like the engine got freed up a little bit and wants to GO!!! With the radio off I think I can actually hear the fuel injection and valves. Sounds GREAT at start up and at about 2500 RPM's, I'm pretty impressed with the sound! Thanks to USMC for his technical help--you are da man Sean!! Highly recommend!!

Main One · « **Reply #53 on:** October 04, 2009, 04:57:27 PM »

I'd say if there were any leaks you wouldn't need a stethoscope to hear them.

Ski Edition · « **Reply #54 on:** October 04, 2009, 05:57:29 PM »

Quote from: Main One on October 04, 2009, 04:57:27 PM

I'd say if there were any leaks you wouldn't need a stethoscope to hear them.

It made quite a bit of difference in sound at the motor and at the tailpipe, so just wanted to make sure. Wanted to go see my exhaust man about some different tips anyway.

Main One · « **Reply #55 on:** October 05, 2009, 07:57:18 AM »

Quote from: Ski Edition on October 04, 2009, 05:57:29 PM

It made quite a bit of difference in sound at the motor and at the tailpipe,

Interesting. I couldn't hear a difference with mine. Kids were disappointed - they wanted the truck to get louder!

NorthJerseyAvalanche · « **Reply #56 on:** October 05, 2009, 07:32:40 PM »

hey USMC can you or anyone else that installed these headers post a video? Looking to get them for my 08!!!

Main One · « **Reply #57 on:** October 06, 2009, 07:18:13 AM »

Quote from: NorthJerseyAvalanche on October 05, 2009, 07:32:40 PM

hey USMC can you or anyone else that installed these headers post a video? Looking to get them for my 08!!!

Are you looking for an installation video?

USMC0311 · « **Reply #58 on:** October 08, 2009, 02:23:00 PM »

Quote from: NorthJerseyAvalanche on October 05, 2009, 07:32:40 PM

hey USMC can you or anyone else that installed these headers post a video? Looking to get them for my 08!!!

Sorry been hidin out lately! What kind of video are you looking for my friend?

USMC0311 · « **Reply #59 on:** October 08, 2009, 02:25:00 PM »

Quote from: Ski Edition on October 04, 2009, 11:10:20 AM

Done!! Took it to my exhaust man and he put the stethescope on it and no leaks--woo hoo!! Almost feels like the engine got freed up a little bit and wants to GO!!! With the radio off I think I can actually hear the fuel injection and valves. Sounds GREAT at start up and at about 2500 RPM's, I'm pretty impressed with the sound! Thanks to USMC for his technical help--you are da man Sean!! Highly recommend!!

Not a problem my friend, was my pleasure! Glad it all worked out! I definatley think they are worth the work (it's not really that much work anyway). If anyone else undertakes this mod and gets hung up just shoot me an email and I will do my best to help!

bluedevil · « **Reply #60 on:** October 08, 2009, 05:07:34 PM »

Quote from: MyBigToy on September 29, 2009, 05:57:48 PM

I agree with Main One - if I remember correctly, that split is supposed to be there.

Yep. Mine was there too. I thought it was cracked too but thats hhow it is.