Topic: BlueDevil's Vortech SuperCharger Installation Progress

[justJR]

After seeing many blown street Mustangs and tuners come through our shop I personally think the NOS sett-ups are over kill unless a guy is going to go to the track regularly or is going for a bad ass show boat with all of the tricks.
I have to drive my AV every day and can't afford for it to be down every couple of months for valve jobs from showing off in the juice.
The blower can be made streetable but nitrous is hard on a motor.
We have guy with a'05 Firebird on the bottle and he said he has the heads off a minimum of three times a year cause he can't resist the temptation to "GET 'ER DONE"!!!!

[KY_BOB]

After seeing many blown street Mustangs and tuners come through our shop I personally think the NOS sett-ups are over kill unless a guy is going to go to the track regularly or is going for a bad ass show boat with all of the tricks.
I have to drive my AV every day and can't afford for it to be down every couple of months for valve jobs from showing off in the juice.
The blower can be made streetable but nitrous is hard on a motor.
We have guy with a'05 Firebird on the bottle and he said he has the heads off a minimum of three times a year cause he can't resist the temptation to "GET 'ER DONE"!!!!

I've had a couple of vehicles on the juice and have dealt with many more that belonged to friends.  IMO, nitrous is no harder on a motor than a blower if used properly.  If fact some would argue that it's easier because you aren't alway using it.

Now by properly, I mean in an amount that is safe for the setup and properly tuned.  The safe amount varies greatly based on the engine and mods done to it.  Does it have cast of forged pistons?  What type of head gaskets?  What is the timing set at?  How much is the fuel pump (and injectors if it's a dry shot) capable of supporting?

IMO the biggest problems are caused because it's cheap enough for anyone to afford, easy enough to install that anyone can do it, and tempting to swap jets for more power than is safe.  What I'm getting at is that a bunch of people use it without understanding it.

There are guys out there running F-bodies with a HPPIII or Predator and 100-150 shots of nitrous.  The general rule of thumb is to retard the timing 2 degrees per every 50hp of nitrous used.  Those tuners advance timing over stock!

I could go on and on about tuning nitrous and whats safe on a specific vehicle but that a good example.

I'll also be the first to say that I'm running mine on the ragged edge of what's safe but I got it there by data logging, adjusting and tuning, and then taking it to the next step.  I've taken it as far as I feel safe.  It would be quick and easy for me to swap 2 jets and make another 25-50hp.  Would it stay together?  Maybe but people doing that stuff is why engines fly apart.

[KY_BOB]

Ever hear the old saying about nitrous?


It's like a hot chick with a STD, you want to hit it but your scared.

[MyBigToy]

There are guys out there running F-bodies with a HPPIII or Predator and 100-150 shots of nitrous.  The general rule of thumb is to retard the timing 2 degrees per every 50hp of nitrous used.  Those tuners advance timing over stock!

I know someone who's running an F-body with a 150 shot and occasionally a 200 shot. He's still all stock on the motor and he's put upwards of 30K miles on it. He runs it hard all the time and takes it to the track frequently. I really can't believe it's still together.

I've been tempted to drop a 50 shot on mine but, like Bob, I don't want to push it on a daily driver. I think the NOS with a Magnacharger would be even worse on the drivetrain since they bring the high torque on-line really early.

[KY_BOB]

I've been tempted to drop a 50 shot on mine but, like Bob, I don't want to push it on a daily driver. I think the NOS with a Magnacharger would be even worse on the drivetrain since they bring the high torque on-line really early.

I would agree with that if your spraying off the line.  I'm running a window switch set at 3000rpm, and stalling my converter to 2500-2600 rpm.  I don't get off the line far before it comes in but at least the stress from the launch is over before it hits.  That's in 4x4.

If I'm in 4x2 and leave that hard, it leaves and spins the tires past 3000, the nitrous hits almost instantly, and blows the tires off till it hits 5950 and shifts.  It may sound cool but it doesn't go anywhere fast.  If I had a 4x2 or were going to race it in 4x2, I couldn't stall the converter near as hard.

 
Blue, sorry for your supercharger install thread with all of this nitrous talk.  There's plenty of time for that later

[bluedevil]

No biggie bob. Im  learning all about it.

[WB]

UHHHH...isn't nitrous something only the hippies do in big colorful ballons at certain types of shows!!!! :woot:

[woof]

Ever hear the old saying about nitrous?


It's like a hot chick with a STD, you want to hit it but your scared.

LMFAO 

[bluedevil]

OK. I got the oil lines installation done and tuned. All i have to say is....WOW! Whata difference  ;D  Thank you all for your help on this long going install.

Drilling & tapping the oil pan was piece of cake but manouvering the cordless drill and my skinny hands where no fun in a tight area. Anywho,is done.

I was able to upload a stock tune,changed the VIN with HPTune and uploaded the Predator.

Ok.   Whats next? 

[KY_BOB]

Got to put many miles on it yet?